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A Compendium Of
Pentecostal Holiness Teachings
I am certain there are many brethren who are prone to ask, "Why bother with any attempt to respond to the Liberal, cultic, false teaching which is so apparent at the Nashville Jubilee." I ask myself the question and try to think that someone else might deal with the matter-and that might be the case. It is very possible that some of my brethren might decide to deal with the false doctrines being proliferated at the Jubilee.
I keep thinking about the question a dear, loving and sweet lady presented to me. She was so irresistibly positive with her love when she blurted out, "What makes you think you are qualified to answer the liberals?" I never did know it took much sense to answer a batch of nonsense.
Whether anyone realizes or not, Steve Flatt and his coterie of fraternal helpers created an unscriptural missionary society and apparently many people are too dumb to see anything wrong with it. Ask any supporter of the Jubilee what is right or wrong with it. Ask any supporter of the Jubilee what is right or wrong with the Old Missionary Society. They will usually blink like hoot owls. Many have no earthly idea about the Old Missionary Society of days gone by.
The parade of speakers who perform before the Jubilee crowds is one more sight for sore eyes. I compare them to the prophets of Baal who did their dance on old Mt. Carmel [I Kings 18]. There isn't any difference in dancing for the devil up on Carmel and clapping for the devil down in Nashville.
For several years half-baked professors in "our" schools have slurped at eh slime troughs of sectarian scholars who chirp and burp about the personal work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of people. This borrowed Calvinistic foolishness is regurgitated in classrooms and the young, Holy Spirit, God sent, heaven filled preachers go forth to speak in a new tongue and testify about the work of the, "sweet Holy Spirit." It used to be called, "better-felt-and-told," but now it is better told than explained and defended. There are no defenders.
With the passing a few years, one can now say without any question that the doctrine of the Holyrollers is rife in our schools and is getting top billing at the Jubilee Circus.
I am certain that some will aver that I just do not understand all those Jubilee endowed speakers. This is the usual prattle and it causes me to wonder just exactly how such people are so knowledgeable as to declare that others do not understand what is being babbled about the Holy Spirit. Do those who accuse us of not understanding presume that they understand? Oh yes they do. They do but I don't. They can but I cannot. They must understand in order to know that I do not understand.
If and when a man presumes to speak about the Holy Spirit, he should attempt to speak a few words which cannot.
All of the vain jangling about the Holy Spirit which has been palavered at the Jubilee has been borrowed from the cults. To egotistical brethren it sounds new and novel. Apparently it hasn't crossed their minds that their bigoted assertions and fanciful testimonials have been dealt with and answered, many times over throughout the years.
Jubilee barkers are not on a new trail. Why do they mislead people? The cults and sects have made every flimsy argument which our Johnnies-come-lately brethren are trying to copy.
Anyone who knows anything about something knows that discussion and debates is a very good way to test ideas and issues of interest. It just seems plain stupid to me for speech professors to be paid large salaries in our universities to teach courses in, "Discussion and Debate," yet not one school man seems willing to practice what is presented. Why is this? Where are those debate professors?
In days of yore, our brethren prepared themselves, stayed ready, and met false teachers in debate. The work of the Holy Spirit was a frequent issue for debates. When rabble-rousers come along and are ready to meet brethren in debating the work of the Holy Spirit, to whom shall brethren turn in search of a soldier who can take the sword of the Spirit and go forth as to war? Where is one to be found? Call Lipscomb University! They teach Debate courses. One might find a moderator for some cultic preacher but one would not find a Lipscomb professor who would defend the truth about the Holy Spirit in debate. In fact some Lipscomb professors would make the some foolish arguments about the Holy Spirit that the sectarians have made in days gone by. Such is the result of reading from and listening to false teachers and trying to be popular.
For one to declare that we cannot know and teach the truth about the work of the Holy Spirit would lead one to presume that we cannot know the truth about anything which is printed in the Bible. The Holy Spirit is spoken of in the Bible and that would mean that we can at least know about the person of the Holy Spirit. The Bible tells us what we need to know about the work of the Holy Spirit and there is no other source to which we can go for information. I am aware of the absurd claims of emotional men who jabber about what the Holy Spirit is telling them. Such claims are subjective to the core, without fact, and come from fictitious minds.
Down through the years, sound and faithful brethren have presented the truth in religious debates with every kind of heretic, the truth has nothing to fear in debates. Our holiness tainted brethren refuse to debate. They are not all that nice, sweet and positive. They are not too busy. They are too fearful and far too cowardly. That kind of fellow better stay in his rat hole. He will emerge long enough to spree at the Jubilee and then run away with his little bag of alibis back to his hole of safety and hug his security blanket.
When false and untenable positions are presented in a public forum, astute Bible students can discern the weakness and contradictory nature of such positions. Honest men will not attempt to set forth any position which is contrary to truth. Such would bring damnation to ones own soul as well as those who might be influenced to embrace error. Also if one is so perverse as to attempt to present pointers which one knows to be wrong-ones opponent just might be able to make one look like a colossal fool which of course would be deserving.
After having met false teachers at every turn with the Word of God, our brethren have been put to the test many times over. There are seasoned, tried and tested arguments based upon the Word of God that cannot be successfully answered. Is that wishful thinking? What about the Unitarian position which denies the Trininty? Is there really such a person as the Holy Spirit? Our old brethren debated this issue. Would one of the new liberals be willing to uphold the truth in debate with the Unitarian? Not 'til Jesus comes!
The most pathetic thing to hear, comes from any number of folks who have attended the Jubilee and who will babble, "I didn't see anything wrong." Of course not! Blind creatures do not see.
The following information will show the year, the speakers and the subjects which have been presented at the Jubilee during the last few years, relative to the Holy Spirit. Do I need to tell you 25 speeches were given in six years by neo-Pentecostals, while others clapped? If this does not tell you something-then I confess that you are beyond help.
Speeches On Holy Spirit At Jubilee
||Rejoice in the Spirit 1-2-3
||Identifying & Deploying Spiritual Gifts
||Identifying & Deploying Spiritual Gifts
||Identifying & Deploying Spiritual Gifts
||Does the Spirit Move You
||Does the Spirit Move You
||Does the Spirit Move You
||Leadership & Spiritual Gifts
||Leadership & Spiritual Gifts
||Leadership & Spiritual Gifts
||Allowing God's Spirit to Grow the Church
||God the Spirit-Powerful Presence
||The Spirit and Spiritual Growth
||The Spirit and Life Experiences
||The Spirit and Spiritual Discipline
||The Compassion of the Spirit
||Walking With the Spirit
||The Sweet Fruit of the Holy Spirit
||The Sweet Fruit of the Holy Spirit
||Discerning the Holy Spirit
||Releasing the Spirit's Power
||Bring the Spirit into the Current Crises
Review Of Doris Black
Speaking On The Subject Of Rejoice In The Spirit
Doris Black was brought from Abilene University in order to help "cultify" women into a state of Holyrollerism. She says she believes 90% of what Billy Graham writes in his book on the Holy Spirit. Of course that is exactly why she has become a featured speaker on the Jubilee. If she did not bring the Pentecostal foolishness of Billy Graham, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart, et. al. with her, she would not be welcome at the Jubilee. To assume that I do not know Holyrollerism and to assert that I do not understand and do not state the Holyroller position accurately is beneath the dignity of an answer.
Doris Black spits forth Baptist doctrine, Holyroller doctrine and subjectivism by the yard while a group of silly women applaud. It is interesting that Doris Black serves on various committees at Abilene University. Like some other Abilene folks she has learned to parrot the Calvinistic-Pentecostal positions fairly well which qualifies her as a real super-star when she gets on a Jubilee soap box.
Mrs. Black is scheduled to appear at the International Bible College Workshop in Florence, Ala. for two speeches. It seems that Dennis Jones dearly loves several of the Jubilee stars, since he has them pegged for performances at IBC. I have no idea how many sisters will clap for sister Black. Let's say that Brother Jones is in her corner aiding and abetting her as he begs for your dollars and mine-No thanks! Some of us know when enough is too much.
The three Jubilee speeches of Doris Black on the Holy Spirit were titled, "Rejoice in the Spirit" and her blunders need to be answered. I have listened to the taped speeches twice and have taken very careful notes. Under no circumstances would I take a statement out of context or misuse an utterance of the speaker. This is extremely wicked, dishonest, and unnecessary.
Doris Black is a false teacher and is engaged in leading people astray. This is not a mere assertion, if so, surely someone will be able to expose my efforts. I will welcome anyone correcting anything which flows from my pen, which is not grounded in the Word of God or which is a misstatement of facts.
Some eight years ago sister Black wrote a book. She aners, "I know a lot more than I did when I wrote that book eight years ago!" I have not seen that book but I am trying to find it. If the Jubilee presentations are any indications of how much more our sister has learned in eight years she must have been pathetic beyond description back yonder. She still knows absolutely nothing about the work of the Holy Spirit. Maybe her genius has developed from reading Billy Graham. Why did not the Holy Spirit guide the Jubilee sister into a complete fullness of understanding back when she was trying to write her book about the Holy Spirit? Where was the Spirit back then?
For one who has the Holy Spirit working inside her in such a marvelous way it just seems incredible that during her speech about the first passage of scripture cited was undoubtedly the wrong one. Yes, I listened again and again. In speaking of the Holy Spirit sister Black, "He regenerates man according to John 3:5." This isn't trivial. It isn't nitpicking. It is very crucial in view of all the assertions subsequently made as to what the Holy Spirit does for one.
The passage sister Black probably meant to use was Titus 3:5 instead of John 3:5. I could have made that blunder along with many others but I do not claim all that mighty power of the Holy Spirit in my life. The Holy Spirit in my life. The Holy Spirit should have known which verse to use. John 3:5 is silent about regeneration.
All the prattling sisters with neo-Pentecostal persuasions can make mistakes like the rest of us while testifying about how the Holy Spirit helps them. Do they think the Holy Spirit wants them to teach about the Holy Spirit? Does the Holy Spirit want the truth taught about the Holy Spirit? Is it teaching the truth about the Holy Spirit when wrong references are given by sister Black? She did this more than once? Why did the Holy Spirit not nudge her? She claims to be nudged and urged by the Spirit. Is it too trivial for the Holy Spirit to nudge one about Bible references? Do not forget this.
Why did the Holy Spirit not nudge sister Black when she was hunting and trying to find specific Bible verses to read? Why let her make a mistake and then nudge her? Why not nudge her before the mistake? Moreover why did our sister have to resort to reading from her NIV perversion, even stammering and stumbling at times while trying to read? Will she claim absolute perfection in her presentation? Please understand why I ask these questions. I have no intention, desire or motive whatsoever to disparage our sister. She is making claims about the Holy Spirit which are absurd. It is my duty to convict the gainsayers. She reads promises which were applicable to the inspired apostles and apparently thinks that those passages apply to her. She thinks some of the apostolic passages are applicable today but we shall see.
Sister Black makes a terrible mistake in her use of Ezekiel 36:26. The passage states,
Truly this was a premise Jehovah made to the house of Israel [36:27]. God kept his promise. The Methodists want to use verse 25 in the chapter to support sprinkling. The premillenialists want to use the chapter to support their claims of being restored to the promised land and sister Black wants to use verses 26-27 and apply it to Jubilee women who claim the Holy Spirit. That is stretching the verse completely out of its setting. No one denies that the Holy Spirit was promised. The issue centers around those to whom he was promised. Like so many Holyrollers, Mrs. Black finds a promise of the Holy Spirit and she goes hog-wild. Apparently handling aright the word of truth never crosses her mind.
- A new heart also will I give you, and new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgements, and do them.
We are asked to read Isaiah 44:3 which states, "...I will pour my spirit upon thy seed..." We are then told, "We see this fulfilled in Acts the second chapter." In looking at Acts 2 we learn that Peter cited the events as a fulfillment of Joel 2:28. In fact Acts 2 was a fulfillment of many Old Testament passages.
Mrs. Black can make grandiose claims about the passage promising her the Holy Spirit but she is two-thousand years too late. Can she prophesy? Give us some prophetic utterances by the Spirit. Which woman prophetesses will we believe? There have been a number of them and they all dispute each other. Roadside signs advertise all kinds of women palm readers and prophetesses. One is as little help as Jubilee women when they promise the Holy Spirit.
How many of the old men at the Jubilee have heavenly visions? Surely sister Black can reveal that by the Holy Spirit. In Acts 2, there were miracles which occurred. Some of the Jubilee Pentecostals reject the miracles whereas others claim miracles. They do not want to keep the signs and wonders. The miraculous power of the Holy Spirit which came on Pentecost would only last for a given period of time. The truth revealed by the Holy Spirit would continue as long as specific truth was needed. We have revealed truth written in the Book of truth. It was the truth that the Apostles were to speak in tongues. This they did but that doesn't mean that sister Black has the gift of tongues. Our Lord had commended the apostles to preach and to baptize until the end and just that long he promised to be with them [Matt. 28:18-20]. We would challenge the Jubilee crowd to show where the Holy Spirit was to guide people miraculous until the end. Such cannot be done.
When our sister came to Colossians 1:26-27, she had to read the verse. Paul speaks of the mystery which had been hidden from ages and from generations, "...but now is made manifest to his saints...among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." I know of no honest Bible student who would question the truth that Christ is said to have dwelt in the Gentile Christians of Colosse. I deny that Christ personally dwells in anyone. Where is the passage that so states? Present the proof. How does Christ dwell in the Christian? The Holy Spirit tells us, "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love" [Eph. 3:17]. Does Christ dwell in the heart? Yes! How does Christ dwell in the heart? The Bible settles the matter. Christ dwells in the heart by faith. That passage should be enough to shut the mouths of people.
We are asked to read Romans 8:9-11. Sister Black presents the usual Baptist argument on the passage except she didn't hitch onto verse 8 as Baptist preachers will do in order to try to prove the utter helplessness of the unregenerate sinner.
After the Holy Spirit regenerates one, the evidences are supposedly seen in repentance and faith. There isn't a Baptist preacher on earth including Doris Black that has the slightest intimation of a hint as to the truth presented by Paul in Romans chapter eight.
The sister made a very crucial mistake in reading from the NIV wherein she babbled about, "sinful nature." This would be fine with Billy Graham but it is absurd, preposterous and silly to read from a poppycock perversion which has little babies being born as little devils. Sister Black's good-buddy Billy teaches such bunk. Baptist doctrine teaches total depravity and a corrupt sinful nature. The result calls for a direct operation of the Holy Spirit which results in the evidences of repentance and faith. Such is the babbling of Billy Graham's Baptist manual. Billy can only make three points about the Holy Spirit and sister Black believes 90% of his points. Graham and Black are both wrong. The concept of sinful nature is not taught in the Bible, however the NIV presents such foolishness. The dead sinner needs regenerating by the Holy Spirit according to Black and her good-buddy Billy. Then the Holy Spirit will lead one along the glory road. Billy believes no saved person can ever be lost. I gather will all the palaver about the Holy Spirit working so wonderfully in women not a single soul will be turned loose to get lost.
Since Mrs. Black loves the NIV and its garbled perversions about, "sinful nature," I do wonder about a few things. For example, according to Baptist doctrine and of course all other false teachers who hold to the fool-hearty notion of total-depravity, a person is completely and totally engulfed in sin. The very nature of sinners is without any degree of goodness. Such people are, "...wholly inclined to evil." Their very thoughts are under the power of sin and evil. Their "sinful nature" is captive, dominated, and overwhelming. Under the curse of damnation.
When pressed about the matter of "sinful nature," some of the NIV sisters try to run from the consequences of their darling NIV perversion. They want it but they don't want it. They want to accept a sentence but not its meaning. The truth of the matter is they do not know what they want. Such is borrowed theological bunk.
I suppose there are a number of young girls on the ACU campus. I suppose there are some who have not been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. I suppose those unregenerated girls of necessity are compelling to live by their sinful nature. Being under the compelling power of sinful nature, no ACU depraved daughter could possibly have any sort of desire for living morally. No adulterous daughter on the ACU campus should be chastised while living according to her, "sinful nature." She is powerless, helpless, hopeless, hapless and undone.
If ACU has a moral code or code of ethics for its students, it absolutely must have two different sets of standards. One code should regulate the unregenerated sinners-which cannot be regulated because of their sinful nature, and another code should restrict and regulate the regenerated daughters who have been empowered by the sweet Holy Spirit. Jubilee sisters who claim to get sanctified by the Holy Spirit never make any sort of sense.
If some wayward lassie on the ACU campus runs amuck because of her sinful nature, she should not be expelled. That sinful nature stuff is horrible when it has free-course. One is absolutely helpless under the dominion of sinful nature. The only relief is the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit but the poor, damned, and depraved daughters cannot even desire the sweet Holy Spirit while walking across the ACU campus. All their desires are controlled by their sinful nature.
Show me a consistent false teacher and I will fly away - O glory. There is no such person, including Doris Black.
It would be foolish to deny that the Spirit of God dwelt in the Roman brethren. The Bible says so. This was the same power of the Spirit which, "...raised up Jesus from the dead." This same spirit, "...shall quicken your mortal bodies..." This is the same Spirit which, "....led...the Sons of God." To deny what this was miraculous is but to demonstrate ones ignorance of simple words. The miraculous work of the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead and that same miraculous Spirit resided in the early church. It will certainly be a miraculous event when the body is raised from the dead. It was by the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that the sons of God were being led.
Perhaps sister Black would like to tell us which version of the New Testament the brethren in Rome possessed and read. How were they being led if not by the miraculous? Give her eight more years to learn so much more and we will still be waiting for answers. Her lack of information comes in handy as a Jubilee jumper. Even Billy Graham cannot help her.
It will always help to study words in their various meanings. I hope this makes sense to the reader. The word "flesh" is used in more than one way in the Bible. This will help us when we have "flesh" and Spirit contrasted. The word Spirit is used in more than one way in the scriptures. A shallow glimpse will not prepare one to lecture about the Spirit.
John tells us that he was, "...in the Spirit" [Rev. 1:10; 4:2]. John was miraculously inspired by the Spirit. He says, "...I was in the Spirit" and he was able to look up to the throne in heaven. Joseph Henry Thayer said to, "be in the Spirit" was, "to be in the power of, to be actuated by, to be inspired by the Holy Spirit [see Rom. 8:9]." "The phrase in the Spirit is used in opposition to the phrase, in the flesh." "In the flesh" referred to uninspired, natural men [I Cor. 2:14]. I do not believe Mrs. Black is supernaturally inspired. She left her miracles in Abilene.
The Spirit of Romans 8:9 was miraculous and belonged to such as were inspired teachers. In contrast, if one claimed to be a teacher and was not inspired he did not belong to Christ. He could not prone his words by the Spirit [I Cor. 4:19-20]. Rome had its share of false teachers and they were to be marked [Rom. 16:17]. Such speakers would have been keynoters at the Jubilee with their smooth words and fair speeches [Rom. 16:18]. Please study I John 2:27 in conjunction with Romans 8:9-11. John wrote that there was no need for, "..any man to teach you." The "any man" could not be a teacher because he did not belong to Christ. He could only impart uninspired wisdom [I Cor. 2:5]. He had no inspired New Testament to prove his words by reciting verses of scripture.
In reading from John 7:38-39, our dear Holy Spirit filled teacher lost her place of reading and had to stop and search for it. I've done that many times but the Spirit doesn't lead me personally and miraculously. Tis interesting how the Holy Spirit directed sisters depend on their notes so completely.
Jesus was speaking to the Pharisses and he quoted some scripture which said that the believer would have rivers of living water flowing out of his belly. "But this spake he of the Spirit which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given, because that Jesus was not yet glorified."
It would be a very simple thing to find a passage which pertained to teh coming of the Spirit in connection with the glorification of Christ. Read John 16:7-16 where Jesus promised to send the Spirit who would guide the apostles into all truth. Further, "He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine and shall show it unto you." The Holy Spirit did come as promised. He came in Pentecost and continued with the believers who went forth casting out devils, speaking with new tongues, healing the sick and confirming the word with signs.
According to the assertion of sister Black with reference to John 14:16-17 she says, "The Spirit is going to come and literally indwell us." I cannot speak for all the women who listened to sister Black but I refuse to swallow her suppositions. Jesus promised the Holy Spirit to the apostles, "whom the world cannot receive." "But ye know him for he dwelleth in you and shall be in you." Most assuredly! Is Doris Black one of the original apostles? John wrote, "We are of God:...Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error" [I John 4:6]. How did the apostle know this? Did he have Billy Graham's book? Was he affiliated with Abilene? John was inspired.
One of the most asinine of all ideas is often presented by Jubilee speakers when they talk about the Spirit, "literally indwelling us." How much more does one need to learn in order to learn that the Spirit is Spirit? How much does one need to know in order to know that the Spirit is not literal? Is there a literal Holy Spirit in Abilene? That which is literal cannot by the wildest stretch of the imagination be Spirit nor can Spirit be literal. In no other field of study could one address an audience of such credulity and be cheered. In all sincerity we ask why clap and approve of such fables as spun by Doris Black? Is God literal in Abilene? What does the literal Spirit look like out in Texas?
A comparison was made between the Spirit which was poured out on Pentecost and the blood of Christ. "It can be appropriated just like the blood of Jesus Christ." With respect to the Holy Spirit, "....there was just a gushing fountain that was poured out." "You can go to that outpouring when you become a Christian and you can receive the Holy Spirit."
Just like the blood of Jesus which continues to help people, that mighty outpouring on Pentecost still prevails according to sister Black. If I recall, that mighty Pentecostal outpouring was miraculous. That was the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the pouring was a mere metaphor. How in heavens name can sister Black take a position which would result in the reception of the Holy Spirit as was poured out on Pentecost? Why tell people to go to that outpouring and receive the Holy Spirit? That is excellent Jubilee jargon. It is plain-down-right Holyrollerism, the same kind as taught by Steve Flatt.
Again a passage was read to all the women which declares, "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you" [I Cor. 3:16]. Again from I Corinthians 6:19 sister Black emphasized, "Who is in you," "When you have received from God." "Not any way you can twist that around and make it say something differently. This says-it dwells in you, and this happened at the time of the great outpouring." "The Spirit has come. We are no longer waiting for him." How utterly absurd!
No one wants to twist the two passages given by Doris Black and my response is that to pervert a passage is as bad as to twist a passage. The emphasis given to the verse but demonstrates the colossal ignorance of one who claims to have learned so much more in the last eight years.
Paul did write that the Spirit was in the church at Corinth. No one tries to twist or deny this. A shallow utterance about what is happening today based on I Corinthians 3:16, will hardly convince thinking people. Reading Billy Graham will not get the answer.
What is the truth of the two passages? I do not think Billy Graham has the answer. When Paul wrote to the church at Corinth he immediately mentioned the matter of spiritual gifts and wanted the brethren to be behind in no gift [I Cor. 1:5-8]. He spent two entire chapters discussing miraculous gifts as seen in chapters 12 and 14. There were manifestations of these miraculous gifts among the brethren in Corinth. Those people were not listening to Doris Black, Billy Graham and their perversions of the Corinthian passages. When a brother read Paul's statement about the Holy Spirit in 3:16 and 6:19, just exactly how would he be able to apply the passages?
If he had good judgment he would see the pasages in the context and setting wherein they were given. How people can miss this would certainly indicate that Billy Graham or some other Billy has twisted ones thinking. The church at Corinth had miraculous gifts. When Paul spoke of the Spirit dwelling in them, would anyone venture the claim that such was non-miraculous?
We know the Corinthian church had miraculous manifestations of the Spirit. It seems strange that Paul said not one word in the epistle which would distinguish a non-miraculous measure of the Spirit.
It just seems that one would want to study the meaning and use of the indwelling Spirit in the places where the expression is used in the Bible. There is no place where the spirit dwelt other than in a church or individual which possessed spiritual gifts. If there is an exception, I cannot find it. The church at Rome, and at Corinth had spiritual gifts [Rom. 8:9; I Cor. 3:16; 6:19]. Timothy had spiritual gifts [II Tim. 1:6]. John wrote to those who possessed gifts [I John 4:13]. It should be obvious that all of these were miraculous gifts.
Sister Black reads some passages which applied to Corinth and like a wild kangaroo she jumps all the way to the Jubilee and tells a group of biblical illiterates who clap, ooh and ah-that they have spiritual gifts. Of course the nature of those gifts have changed considerably by the time they get to the Jubilee and Abilene.
She calls it, "Holy Spirit giftedness," but our dear sister is dead wrong. She has an opinion picked up from the Pentecostal holiness and she tries to find a Bible verse to help with her feeble effort.
We are told that, "The Holy Spirit has a ministry to build up the body and he distributes gifts for that purpose." "He is fulfilling a fourfold ministry in our lives and the lives of Christians." And what is the proof? John 16 was mentioned but even a tyro should know that John 16:13 has not one semblance of reference to a promise for a modern crew of Jubilee women. I'm sure they were convinced that sister Black possessed all truth and was performing equal to an inspired apostle. It is no more ridiculous today to claim to be an apostle than it is to possess spiritual gifts. Both have passed away except at the Jubilee and at Finto's Belmont cult.
Why does the Holy Spirit distribute gifts? "To build up the body," so we are told. Consider the assertion that the gifts are distributed by the Holy Spirit. They are from the Holy Spirit. Such gifts are "Holy Spirit giftedness." Why are they given? Sister Black said they were given, "to build up the body." They are, "for that purpose." There is the reason-Jubilee style. The body will be built up by, "Holy Spirit giftedness."
There is not one word of truth in the above baseless assertions. In the first place the Holy Spirit is not giving gifts today. If such is the case, let our sister please tell us why her brand of gifts are any better than Mormon, Adventists, Catholic, Baptist or Pentecostal holiness gifts. Not all of those people claim to have only miraculous gifts. We need to have some objective, definitive, sensible, answer. There are far too many nonsense answers floating around and they have all been answered a thousand times over.
Do you really want to know what some of those Holy Spirit gifts are which he is pouring out on church members in order, "to build up the body." Well some of them are, "mercy-administration-service-teaching-." Ther very idea of presenting such drivel, expecting real Bible students to swallow such nonsense! Where did sister Black run across such foolishness? I do not doubt that she was successful in getting all those women in her audience to agree with her. Some women do not need proof, just palaver.
To show the utter absurdity of the Jubilee speech, we have but to realize that mercy is an absolute requirement to be found in the life of every Christian. How do we know this? We have scriptural proof. The Bible teachers, tells us, instructs, informs and directs us to be merciful, based upon what Almighty God speaks forth in his inspired Word? Is the instruction which is set forth in the Bible, not sufficient for the Christian to know how to show mercy?
Can one who is not a Christian also show mercy? How does the non-Christian to practice mercy? Does he have a spiritual gift of mercy? Would it be possible to learn the quality of mercy? Could a non-Christian show more mercy than one who claims to be a Spirit filled Christian? Since every Christian is taught to be merciful according to the scriptures, that would prove that God wants each Christian to be merciful, not excepting any. Since this is the will of God for every Christian, then does the Holy Spirit also give every Christian some more of the gift of mercy beyond that which the Bible teaches one to show? Does the Holy Spirit give me the spiritual gift of mercy, even though I reject the fool notion that mercy is a spiritual gift? Am I not a Christian as a result of obeying the gospel? Can I practice mercy while denying spiritual gifts? Dont' you think sister Black needs to go back to Abilene and stay there until she learns the truth about spiritual gifts?
What we have said about mercy can be said with respect to teaching. It seems stupid to me for a person to go to Abilene and pay hard-earned cash in order to learn to be a teacher. How does one become a teacher at Abilene? Does the Spirit endow one with the spiritual gift of "teaching?" The teacher from Abilene tells us that teaching is a spiritual gift, however isn't it the case that ACU students are required to enroll, study, learn and qualify under state laws in order to be school teachers? Did sister Black not think about that when she was spouting off all that subjective nonsense? I'm certain none of the sisters bothered to put their minds out of neutral as they listened.
There are any number of Jews, Atheists, Moslems, etc. who can excel at teaching. I think they all have sense enough and judgment to realize how one becomes a teacher.
I reject the borrowed theology of sister Black in toto. She is a false teacher, having learned her material from false teachers. That is the reason she sticks her foot in her mouth at every turn. She has learned so much more since she wrote her book. From whom? The Holy Spirit? Where was the Holy Spirit when the dear lady was writting her book? Was she not a Christian then? If she was, then how could she be so deficient then and so efficient now? Please don't think, or you might have problems with these pointers. One doesn't have to think when visiting the Jubilee. Let the sweet spirit take over and control.
All the other spiritual gifts which Jubilee prattlers present are but characteristics which people learn exactly alike if they possess charactaristics as mentioned by the Jubilee experts. Brethren, people LEARN to be teachers.
As to thinking that the Holy Spirit gives gifts to build up the body, sister Black demonstrates that she is a member of some sort of latter-day-outfit which still lays claim to the gifts of the first century church. It would be a pleasure to help all those Jubilee sisters learn a very simple, elementary lesson taken from Ephesians 4:8ff. The Holy Spirit is the instructor and he said, "...When he ascended up on high..." That is the "WHEN." He gave gifts unto men. That is the "WHAT." "And he gave some, apostles, and some prophets, and some evangelists; and some pastors and some teachers." That is the "WHO." "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying [building up] of the body of Christ." That is the "WHY." "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the son of God, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ." That is the "WHERE," limited by the adverb of time, which is "till." As our sister would say, "There's no way you can twist that." Every false pastor of the Pentecostal persuastion who has had to face that passage has made a sudden retreat. Let us wonder out loud why the lady from Abilene never stumbled onto that verse. Those in her church never seem to find that passage.
The gifts were bestowed in order to edify or build up the body of Christ. There was no New Testament at Ephesus. The inspired apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers used supernatural gifts as they taught. Such gifts were to last till..... After the system of faith had been given, revealed and written down, we go to the inspired book. Back at Ephesus, they had inspired men. We have the inspired book.
If we are built up individually or collectively as a congregation, it is the result of effort on our part as we study, learn, increase our faith and develop in keeping with the word of God. Brethren used to know that before people like sister Black came along who have learned so much more.
It is asinine to think that the inspired Word of God is not sufficient to build up the church. Every absurd claim made for spiritual gifts as presented by Doris Black and other Jubilee jugglers is an indictment against the all-sufficiency of the inspired word. Let them deny it if they will. They know better than to try.
Does the church need to be built up? Yes! Do we have all that is needed in the written word in order to build up the church?
Yes! Do we need extra gifts from the Holy Spirit in order to build up the church? No! Does the written word inform us that we need more than the written word? No!
When Paul bade farewell to the elders from Ephesus he said, And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified [Acts 20:32].
Did the Holy Spirit say it right?
To the Colossians, Paul wrote,
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, AS YE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT,.....
Peter admonished the brethren to, "...desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby" [I Peter 2:2]. He said the brethren were, "...lively stones, are BUILT UP a spiritual house..." [I Peter 2:5]. The written word had not been completely given but as it was given, brethren could be built up as a spiritual house. They had to rely upon the spoken word from inspired teachers in order to grow up.
From some source, sister Black has learned that the Holy Spirit has a "separate-four-fold-ministry for us." She categorizes those ministries into,
1. Ministry of Certification
In discussing the ministry of certification, the dear lady says, "uh, ah, here it it, let me read it. Ephesians 1:13!" She says she has studied the Greek word. So what? The Greek word has already been studied by Greek scholars and translated into a simple English word. Paul wrote, "...after ye believe, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise." Sister Black explained that the Holy Spirit would say to her, "Me living in this woman proves she is a genuine Christian."
2. Ministry of Assistance
3. Ministry of Practical Power
4. Ministry of Partnership
I have always thought that I could take the word of God in hand and prove that I was a Christian, but no longer can I prove this by the Bible. Is there anything which I can prove by the Bible? If I can prove that I am a Christian by the Bible, what more proof do I need? If the Bible is not sufficient to prove that I am a Christian, then of what value is the Bible? If the Bible tells sinners how to become Christians, then would one not be able to simply say what one did to become a Christian?
Run down to the Jubilee and learn how the Holy Spirit can prove one is a genuine Christian. Throw your Bible in the trash pile for you will not need it at the Jubilee. Notice, "The Spirit does that for you whether you never do anything else or not." I have no apology whatsoever in referring to an audience of women-who will support, commend, clap, condone and tolerate such heresy-as semi-illiterate in Biblical matters. "The Spirit does its work in certification and has nothing to do with how you feel or don't feel, experience or don't experience. When you become a Christian, the Spirit puts a seal that says, "This is not a counterfeit." To whom does the Spirit say that? Does he inform God that a given person is God's child? Does the Spirit tell other folks that a certain Christian is not a counterfeit? Does the Spirit tell the Christian when he becomes a Christian that the Christian is a Christian? Who does he tell? How does he tell? When sister Black learns more, we hope she will tell how the Spirit tells who is counterfeit and who is not. The Mormon claims to be genuine. Is he?
Are you certified as a Christian by the Holy Spirit? We refuse to join the sucker crowd or the congregation of dupes but we choose to study the Bible. Any good reference Bible or standard concordance will help one to look up all the passages which use the word, "seal." There are sixteen references in the New Testament which deal with the word "seal," thirteen of them are found in Revelation.
Paul wrote, "...for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord" [I Cor. 9:2]. This was miraculous. In II Corinthians 1:22, Paul wrote, "Who hath also sealed us..." The apostles were sealed, marked, stamped as genuinely inspired and their miraculous manifestations proved that they were inspired. The Ephesian passage states, "...ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" [1:13]. What promise? To whom? Joel had promised the Spirit in a miraculous measure [Joel 2:28-32]. The promise was made known and was fulfilled. Paul wrote, "...as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit" [Eph. 3:5].
When the Ephesians were sealed with the Holy Spirit it was miraculous. We know the Ephesians had been baptized [Acts 19:5]. There is not the slightest hint that they were sealed by the Holy Spirit in, at, or by water baptism.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the
Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with
tongues, and prophesied. [Acts 19:6].
This was miraculous and it manifested that the Ephesians were Christians.
How does the Spirit seal a person today? Sister Black asked the women in her audience, "When does that happen? John 16:8, Jesus says-"..the Spirit is given to convict us of our sins." The more credulity in an audience, the more fables one can present. The truth is, the above passage was spoken to Jesus' disciples. The long selection of statements began in John 13 when Jesus was in the upper room with his disciples eating the passover meal. Judas was there in that group and Jesus said, "...one of you shall betray me." Why did she not dip sop and give it to a Judas sister? Why? The conversation of Jesus continues with the disciples on through John chapter 17.
The Holy Spirit was promised to the apostles as a comforter John 16:7. He would come and guide the apostles into all truth [John 16:13]. The apostles would speak as they were inspired of the Holy Spirit [John 16:13]. Just a little span of time spent in listening to Doris Black should convince the most stubborn die-hard that she does not teach the truth. She is not an apostle and she does not know all truth. She knows a lot of false doctrine for certain.
The Holy Spirit convicts, converts and conveys God's will to man by means of the written word being preached. The word of God is the sword of the Spirit [Eph. 6:17]. The gospel is the power of God to save believers [Rom. 1:16]. The word of God is that which produces faith [Rom. 10:17]. We do not need people like Doris Black from Abilene running around teaching so much false doctrine. The word convicts us of sin today. We do not need any shade of Calvinism among us.
She says, "Have you ever thought that every time you have that impulse to repent, that's God's Spirit nudging you? When you feel convicted of a sin....that's God's Spirit nudging you?" How foolish! This is Holyrollerism gone to seed. Sisters are to shuck off the scriptures and start feeling for the Spirit. The great Billy Graham would agree with the Jubilee feeler. Wait unto the Spirit nudges you. Does the Spirit nudge people to not sin? He nudges them to repent after they sin so why doesn't he use some powerful nudges to keep one from sin?
I have no hesitancy in declaring that Doris Black has been duped by too much Billy and has not paid attention to the Bible. I do not know her background but the woman actually said, "When I was a child, I was told that the gift of the Holy Spirit was the Bible." That was said in connection with quoting Acts 2:38. Whoever said the gift of the Holy Spirit was the Bible would be a marvelous Jubilee performer. You see, one doesn't have to prove any garbled utterance as a Jubilee babbler. Of course such an inane idea would help the Jubilee women to see how profound and accurate Mrs. Black was. She knows the difference in the Holy Spirit and the Bible.
I believe I know fairly well the thoughts, books, articles, debates and general understanding of what brethren have taught about the Holy Spirit down through the years. Not a solitary sould who was able to run around loose by himself has interpreted Acts 2:38 to refer to the Bible. I know why sister Black would utter such a foolish statement and so does she. I do not believe the Spirit was nudging her. The Spirit speaketh plainly [I Tim. 4:1]. He isn't in the nudging business. Some sisters enjoy being nudged and they are not all found clapping at the Jubilee.
AssistanceThe second ministry of the Spirit is that he, "comes to sanctify us." There is a passage that the sister hunted for - [the Holy Spirit left her for a moment] - and she eventually found it and presto the Bible passage proved what the Holy Spirit does without the Bible. Yes maam! "It means there is a force committed to bringing you to holiness." "Sanctified by the Holy Spirit." "The Spirit has a job cut out for him as he drags me to a state of holiness set aside for God's use..." "Sanctification is ongoing and with some of us it takes a long time." "The Holy Spirit is in me and he has a job to bring me to sanctification."
I do declare that at this moment Doris Black is the most perfect example I know of who has a theory based upon presuppositions-and who scrambles back and forth trying to find something to paste her fanciful puzzels together. Her pieces will not fit. What kind of woman will clap for such ridiculous ideas?
Have you ever considered the position of the various holiness groups who teach sanctification as a second work of grace? They consider sanctification as a second blessing which comes to the saved person after regeneration. Sister Black is teaching holyroller doctrine on the matter of sanctification. Please look again at the above expressions, if you question my statement.
Have you ever considered the position of the various holiness groups who teach sanctification as a second work of grace? They consider sanctification as a second blessing which comes to the saved person after regeneration. Sister Black is teaching holyroller doctrine on the matter of sanctification. Please look again at the above expressions, if you question my statement.
If I can make heads and tails out of her homespun tomfoolery, the lady thinks that the Holy Spirit entered her as a "force" when she was baptized. That "force" wants her to become holy which might take a long time. At baptism she was not made holy but the force will bring her to sanctified holiness after some time passes. That force may have to drag her onward to that state of sanctified holiness. "The Holy Spirit is in me and he has a job to bring me to sanctification." "Sanctification is ongoing and with some of us it takes a long time."
If some poor soul happens to die shortly after coming up out of the water, "the force" would not have time to drag the miserable wretch on to sanctification and holiness which presents a problem. If after baptism, the Holy Spirit force will have to drag one on to holiness, then when one is baptized one is not made holy, if sister Black is correct.
If after baptism the Holy Spirit force has a job to drag one on to the state of holiness, then baptism until the force drags one to holiness and sanctification. Holyrollers teach such tripe.
Since it is in baptism that we reach the blood of Christ, but in baptism we are not made holy-it follows that the blood of Christ cannot make one holy. One has to be dragged on to holiness.
It is by baptism that one is saved from sin. Sins are forgiven and washed away at baptism. But one is not made holy and sanctified until the force finally drags one, maybe for a long time. Sanctification is an ongoing thing. It has to follow that one is saved but not sanctified. One is forgiven but not holy. Ones sins are washed away but one is not sanctified. It is sad indeed that stupidity isn't painful. People need to be made aware of such false teaching. If a jolt or jar will help, I will not hesitate to use a bit of jolting.
It isn't pleasant to expose such ignorance as is being palmed off on gullible victims who swarm to the Jubilee, but let us examine the proof texts of the sanctified sister.
In Romans 15:16, Paul is defending his apostleship which was being questioned by Judaising teachers. He wrote that he was, "...the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles." His work was to preach "...the gospel of God." He declared that the Gentiles who obeyed the gospel were, "...acceptable" to God. The gospel of God made them acceptable to God when they accepted the gospel. It was by the gospel, by word, by deed, which God wrought by Paul which enabled the Gentiles to become "obedient." It was, "Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God..." [Rom. 15:19], which confirmed the word preached by Paul. It was by the power of the Holy Spirit through Paul's preaching, ministering the gospel of God which resulted in the Gentiles being acceptable, "being sanctified by the Holy Spirit." Sister Black messed up again. She needs to go home and burn her holyroller books and study the Bible.
As expected when sister Black finally arrived at Romans 8:26-27, instead of teaching the truth, she went off on a wild chase after Billy Graham and other heretics. She opines,
God the Spirit intercedes for us.
This is the same sort of holyroller jargon which Steve Flatt presented at the Jubilee.
The Spirit comes and translates our needs.
He prays for me. It's like, God this is what's
wrong with this person. This is what this person
needs in this situation.
Just like the blood...the Spirit is doing this work
Do you feel your blood?
Almighty God has never had so much help as he gets out of Jubilee jumpers. God doesn't know our needs until the Spirit translates that knowledge to God. God must not be all-wise down at the Jubilee. If all my Jubilee tapes about the Holy Spirit were not so wonderfully Holy and Divine-I would ask the Holy Spirit to take them as gifts up to God-so he could know how smart Jubilee speakers have become-after eight years of studying the Greek word.
A rule of thumb in studying the Bible should begin with throwing away all the heretical books which one has read. Sister Black has reversed this order. Futher, one must never construe any passage to contradict other passages. One must never dispense with reason, rationality and plain common sense when probing down into a passage of scripture. It is always a necessity to see how a word is used in other places in the Bible.
With these matters in mind, let us study Romans 8:26-27.
The passage must not be used to teach some sort of Holy Spirit enabling intervention into my life. If this is the case, then the Bible contradicts itself. If the Bible is a book of contradictions, it is not God-breathed-inspired. If the Bible is not a divine record but the work of men, then there is no God. If there is no God, there is no Holy Spirit and if there is no Holy Spirit, all that Paul wrote was spurious. The Bible is not a book of contradictions.
It was the work of the Holy Spirit to reveal the mind of God to man. Study and ponder well this truth. Not once did any New Testament writer ever reverse the order. I do not read where the Holy Spirit was used by Paul, Peter, James, John and Jude to send information up to God. The Holy Spirit is not a delivery person from man to God. Does God not know what man needs without man telling the Holy Spirit to inform God? God does know what we need, but he has told us to express our petitions through prayer. Our prayers are offered to God through Christ who is our mediator. As mediator, Christ doesn't inform God or instruct God. There is none mediator between God and man and He is Christ [I Tim. 2:5]. Jesus Christ is the one who stands between man and God. God does not need Mary, Saint Peter, Saint Paul, Saint Patrick, Saint Doris or the Holy Spirit to get information to him. This strabismus and purblinded concept would limit the wisdom of God and would also localize him completely in heaven, albeit God is all-wise and omnipresent. Is the Spirit somewhere that God is not? Tell us all about that distance between God and the Spirit at the present. Saint Doris messed up again.
We learn that the Israelites were groaning under the heavy burdens of Egyptian rulers. God heard their groanings [Acts 7:34]. Did the Holy Spirit make a trip to Egypt for God and take those groanings back up to where God was staying in heaven? If God could hear the groanings of the Israelites in Egypt without the Holy Spirit making a journey down there, then why cannot God hear the groanings of those described by Paul?
Sister Black makes an egregious blunder in mixing the physical with the metaphysical, in reducing the supernatural to the natural, in co-mingling the all-wise God with ignorance found at the Jubilee.
The work of the Holy Spirit was to reveal the mind of God to uninspired men that they might by inspiration know what to teach. They did know and they claimed that they did know. The Holy Spirit also helped, enabled, and assisted by super-natural means, as the inspired brethren prayed. If you doubt this, turn and read I Corinthians 14:14 where Paul wrote, "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful." One could only speak in an unknown tongue by inspiration [I Cor. 14:14]. When one prayed in an unknown tongue, such was always by inspiration. The prayer was an inspired prayer.
Jude spoke of those who were, "...praying in the Holy Ghost" [Jude 20]. They prayed by inspiration of the Holy Spirit of course. Will some holyroller sister please inform us how one can pray in the Holy Spirit in a non-miraculous manner?
The apostles spoke and prayed by the help and intercession of the Holy Spirit. McKnight comments, "Perhaps the apostle meant that the Spirit helped their infirmities by inspiring them with a people prayer." Any other explanation of the passage makes no sense at all and is based upon sheer guess work and subjectivity.
We are asked to listen to the lady from Abilene when she says, "The urge or impulse to repent, I'm convinced that's from the Spirit, because Jesus said in John 16, he would convict us of sin." I am disposed to think and rightfully so that the lady from Abilene might have just thought that her Jubilee audience was comprised of stark fools. Jesus had to contend with, "...fools and blind..." [Matt. 23:19; Luke 11:40]. A thousand times no, I am not being too plain or unduly specific.
It is absolutely inexcusable for anyone to cite John 16: and prattle that, "Jesus said in John 16 he would convict us of sin." It is equally as ridiculous when women sit like bumps on a stump and refuse to correct such puerile pointers. It is also beyond the absurd when men invite false teachers to come and burp their brand of cultic theology and refuse to defend such characters. We shall say more about this. We will repeat again to answer to the assumptions given regarding the promise of Jesus. Get your Bible and turn to John 16 and we will see what a deceiver Doris Black really is. The long discourse of Jesus began back in the upper room with His disciples [John 13:5; 13:22]. To these disciples Jesus promised another comforter, "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive...." [John 14:17]. The Lord further declared,
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom
the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you
all things, and bring all things to your rememberance,
whatsoever I have said unto you [John 14:26].
The entire chapter will plainly show to any honest reader that Jesus was speaking to the disciples. For anyone to take passages out of their contexts in order to try to prop up a foolish theory, can only depict ignorance or meanness.
The Lord's discourse to the disciples continues on through John 15. Notice 15:16 where Jesus said, "...I have chosen you..." Look carefully at 15:27 where Jesus said, "...ye have been with me from the beginning." Does that include Doris Black? She should tell us all about Jesus is she was with him two-thousand years ago.
Begin to read carefully from John 16 and ask a simple question: to whom is Jesus addressing the words? Of whom does Jesus refer when he uses the pronoun, "YOU?" When our Lord said, "...if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto YOU; but if I depart, I will send him unto YOU." Who is the YOU? We read in 16:13 where Jesus said, "Howbeit when he the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth...." "And he will show you things to come," "..for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you" [v. 14]. "...therfore said I, that he shall take of mine and shall shew it unto you" [v. 15].
It can be seen that those to be convicted of sin were those out in the world. That conviction would be brought about by the apostles being guided into all truth. They would have a supernatural remembrance as a result of the Holy Spirit guiding them as they preached. They would take the words of Jesus and give those words to the world and thus conviction of sin could occur.
To babble about the Holy Spirit urging us to repent, then cite John 16, is pure nonsense and I have no hesitancy in saying so. "Just to want to is an urge from the Holy Spirit."
Such drivel should not need any response but there are people who are waiting to hear this kind of foolishness. This sort of garbage can be expected from all the cultic folks who received their theology from creed books written by highly emotional charismatic people. The direct operation of the Holy Spirit is a very popular doctrine among the Jubilee people. Doris Black was invited in order to help boost the Pentecostal position. She too shall not pass.
If the urge to repent is from the Holy Spirit why doesn't the Holy Spirit urge all men to repent? Why not overwhelm people with a powerful urge to repent? Oh well, since there are a lot of impenitent people, we can always blame the Holy Spirit for not staying on the job.
A Spirit Filled Sister Pours Forth The ForceThe second session of sister Black's speech had no real substance whatsoever. She is a wonder-woman however, travelling to do some forty-five seminars each year. She prays for her husband to have wisdom. With his wisdom he directs the, "Doris Black Ministry." Sister Black is, "...a living example of the power of the Lord." I would be ashamed to blame so much falsehood on God's power. Such grandiose claims were made by Aimee Semple McPherson long before the Doris Black ministry began. Tammy Faye Bakker made the same fanciful claims during her ministry while she was empowered by the Holy Spirit. Ah, but she and con-artist Jimmy could make all kinds of foolish claims and be believed because they had so many fools who were willing to support them.
Sister Black is parroting the same kind of palaver at the Jubilee and elsewhere and silly women will support her. Dumb elders will invite her. Lockjaw preachers will play dead while the church is being turned into a Holyroller cult. It does take a lot of guts to listen to all the silly subjectivism, take careful notes and respond. Frankly, I will listen to the tapes for awhile then get up and walk outside. It gets almost unbearable. Why do I listen and write? I just believe the gainsayers need to be answered. False teachers need to have their mouths stopped and exposing error with the truth will shut down some of the blatant error and remove the welcome mats in some places.
In Speech Number Two
In discussing the Holy Spirit, sister Black said that she, "thought for years and years and years that the Holy Spirit was a supernatural, all powerful, divine form of electricity that was at God's disposal."
She says she heard that the Holy Spirit was the Bible, but she has made an in-depth study of the subject and now she knows so much more. When a person reads cultic books and repeats the information that isn't getting very deep. In fact it is about as shallow as one can get, but such appeals to audience with extremely shallow minds.
So the Holy Spirit has a ministry of practical power for us today. The scripture which informs us about the power is Ephesians 3:14. He prayed that they might be strengthened with "might by his spirit in the inner man." We have seen how Paul went to Ephesus and taught the truth which resulted in those who were taught being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus [Acts 19:1-5]. These people did not receive the Holy Spirit when they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus and we are positive that sister Black did not get filled with the Holy Spirit when she was baptized.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the
Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with
tongues, and prophesied [Acts 19:6].
This was a miraculous reception of the Spirit. Paul continued his prayer that the Ephesians might "...be filled with all the fullness of God" [v. 19]. In verse 20, he speaks of God, "who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think according to the power that worketh in us" [v. 20].
Who could possibly say that this was non-miraculous power?
This mighty power is spoken of in chapter 1:19 where Paul wrote, "And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his MIGHTY POWER. Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places" [vv. 19-20]. That is the mighty power falsely claimed by sister Black and the Holyrollers. It is too much power for so much weak speaking. It is incredible that a room full of women will get goggle-eyed over such babbling. I tell you, these Pentecostal sisters need to be exposed.
We are enlightened on the subject of hope as sister Black said, "The power of hope is given us by the Holy Spirit." "God gives us the power of hope-ability." In Romans 15:13, Paul wrote,
Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace
in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through
the power of the Holy Ghost.
There were spiritual gifts in Rome [Rom. 12:3-6], there was no New Testament in Rome. How in the name of reason could the church in Rome continue to operate? They were, "...full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another" [Rom. 15:14]. How? By means of spiritual gifts. Sister Black is an expert at citing a passage about the Holy Spirit and assuming that the passage applies to her audiences.
People who have turned aside to Pentecostalism get real excited when they start talking about being "...filled with the Spirit." With sister Black doing forty-five seminars each year, these are a lot of sisters out there who are getting filled-with ignorance about the Holy Spirit.
Our Jubilee speaker has informed us that she has studied Greek words. A goose in Greece understands when a Greek woman is calling her gaggle. So what? Sister Black needs to make a careful exacting, demanding study of English words throughout the Bible. She needs to study how "filled" is used in the word of God.
To be filled with the Spirit was a miraculous condition.
How do I know this?
1. John was full of the Spirit [Luke 1:14].
In discussing miraculous gifts in the church at Ephesus Paul stated that Christ ascended on high and gave gifts unto men- that he might fill all things [Eph. 4:7-11]. This is a reference to the apostles, prophets, evangelists pastors and teachers who received miraculous gifts. They were filled with the Spirit. We read where Stephen was, "...full of faith and of the Holy Ghost..." [Acts 6:5]. "He did great wonders and miracles among the people." Sister Black can talk about great power and wonders but she won't go so far as to demonstrate her being filled with the Spirit. There was fullness of the Spirit, power, and miracles but our sister won't perform miracles. Why?
2. Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit [Luke 1:67].
3. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit [Luke 1:41].
Along with Stephen there were others selected who were, "full of the Holy Spirit." Phillip was one of those selected who was, "full of the Holy Spirit." Phillip was able to perform miracles [Acts 8:6-7]. It has always been interesting how the Holyrollers shy away from miracles when pressed on these matters. They have learned to not demonstrate but occasionally some poor deluded soul will die of snake venom. Our sisters babble about being filled with the Spirit but-they run like wild turkey's when they get to manifestations of the Spirit. They babble, "Oh, well we just don't have the sign gifts today. We don't have to explain anything about miracles and signs and wonders and supernatural events." "We don't have sign gifts today." "I'm not talking about sign gifts." That's brilliant beyond belief. Why not talk about sign gifts? For the same identical reason that Holyrollers refuse to deal with such matters. They talk but won't produce whereas sister Black won't even talk about sign gifts. It would be interesting to have her explain just why she does not perform miracles among the women who listen to her spiels. She is, "filled with the Spirit," so she says.
When the apostles were, "...filled with the Spirit," such was miraculous [Acts 2:4]. When Philip was filled with the Spirit, such was miraculous [Acts 6:3-5; 8:6-7]. When the apostles were, "...all filled with the Holy Ghost..." they spake the word of God with boldness [Acts 4:31].
What can we conclude from the above? In every case where there were those who were, "filled with the Spirit" the situation was miraculous. Is Ephesians 5:18 and exception? When every single one of the references which mention people being-filled with the Spirit-are miraculously beyond even a shadow of a doubt, what would the Ephesians understand Paul to mean when we wrote, "be filled with the Spirit." Those people were not morons. They knew full well about spiritual gifts and miraculous manifestations.
Timothy was in Ephesus as a preacher [I Tim. 1:3], and he had the gift of prophecy. Paul had laid his hands on Timothy, thus importing "the gift of God" [II Tim. 1:6]. Since there was no sister Black in Ephesus to explain the meaning of "be filled with the Spirit" and since there was no New Testament and since the profound Greek of Mrs. Black was not at Ephesus, it is most likely that the members of the church were not in utter confusion as to what it meant to, "be filled with the Spirit."
On Practical Power
We see where a spiritual gift is promised by sister Black although the inspired Paul did not say what our sister thinks. In II Thessalonians 1:11, Paul told the brethren that he prayed for them,
...that our God would count you worthy of this calling,
and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and
the work of faith with power.
Sister Black demonstrates her lack of genuine respect for the word of God and it could be that there is a demonstration of something else when she says, "We pray...by his power" "may fulfill every good..." That isn't what the texts says. There is nothing said in the passage about our praying. Paul did the praying. He prayed for the brethren. He didn't even hint that the brethren were to pray "...by his power..." The apostle prayed that God would fulfill in the brethren "..the work of faith with power." It is absurd to apply the passage today and try to tell people they need a miraculous measure of the Spirit to help them to pray with power. It is worse than absurd to claim that we have to have a spiritual gift in order to engage in the work of faith. This is pure poppycock without any shred of Biblical truth to sustain it.
Please notice this claim from our sister. "The Spirit in filling us and sanctifying us, never works apart from his holy word." Do not be surprised at the above sentence. Most any false teacher will eventually stumble over some truth.
When Ben Bogard the Baptist debated Aimee Semple McPherson he wore her out with the truth. When he debated brother N. B. Hardeman, Bogard contradicted himself at every turn. Brother Guy Woods said, "Give a false teacher a little rope and he will hang himself every time." How true?
For two entire sessions, Doris Black rambled around at the Jubilee teaching outright Pentecostalism. The tapes are available for anyone to listen to them. Why would the Jubilee promoters even ask sister Black to speak about the Holy Spirit? They knew exactly what she would teach. They knew she would say what others have said. They knew her brand of Holyrollerism would fit right in with all the other heretics.
Come now our sister and actually states that the SPIRIT never works apart from his holy word.
She cannot have it both ways-except in a Jubilee class of women. Such is the pattern of false teachers. Ah, but the Holy Spirit nudges us and we feel those nudges, but wait. The only way the Holy Spirit fills us is by the Word. He does but he doesn't. It matters not one whit how utterly foolish some speakers become, there are those who have so little reasoning ability as to accept anything regardless of how puerile it is.
What are some ways we can know the Holy Spirit fills us?
The most calloused, wicked, immoral characters to have made national headlines claimed to be full of the Holy Spirit. Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker and others prey upon the ignorant while claiming the Holy Spirit.
1. "We are more sensitive to our sins."
2. "We are tenderhearted."
3. "Being full, we never brag about being Spirit filled."
4. "We are non-judgmental, if Spirit filled."
1. I'm certain that Doris Black is so filled that she will be tenderhearted and non-judgmental toward all sorts of religious racketeers who claim to be filled with the Spirit. The Holy Spirit will not allow one to be judgmental, that means whoremongers should not be rejected.
Why have twenty-five speeches about the Holy Spirit in six years at the Jubilee?
2. I have no patience while listening to all the silly and shallow claims of heretics who never shut up talking about the Holy Spirit in their lives. They claim to be full of the Spirit and rattle on and on but sister Black says, "being full, we never brag about being Spirit filled." Is the lady not aware that such is just about the sum total of all the talking which Holyrollers engage in?
3. "There are times the Spirit brings us to a quiet awareness." "There's this quiet awareness of God's hand in your life." "There are times that the Spirit is in your life in a power and force that overwhelms you." You just say, "turn loose of me Spirit." "I was working totally in the power of the Spirit." "He has often filled me with the fruit of the Spirit and I feel it with power that it overwhelms me." Go to a Holyroller revival and hear the same sort of nonsense. I've seen holiness women get overwhelmed and fall flat in the floor. A Holyroller preacher said to me, "You don't understand this do you?" I replied, "No, I cannot see why a grown woman would be sprawled out in the middle of the meeting house, with her dress up to her middle. If that is the work of the Holy Spirit, he needs to be renamed the Unholy Spirit." Some holyroller woman covered that half-naked Holyroller woman's panties which the Holy Spirit had exposed. Such is the tommynot teaching to be presented at a Jubilee.
The foregoing statements of our sister shows how utterly confused people can become when they get hood-winked by neo-Pentecostalism. Even a casual look should convince the most ardent skeptic that the Jubilee is reeking with all kinds of false doctrines, but not anything is more pronounced than Pentecostal-holiness doctrine. Am I your enemy because I tell you the truth? If I am not telling the truth, it will not take much ink and paper to expose my dishonesty. Surely some God-called, heaven-sent, Spirit-filled, shouting sister could set me straight, but that would probably be judgmental.
I must add a footnote to the above matters and emphasize that anyone who reads the aforementioned thoughts as expressed pertaining to the speeches of sister Black-will surely have some kind of reaction to the ideas set forth in this chapter. One will either agree or disagree. If anyone should be disposed to agree with the ideas of sister Black, I would be willing to meet such a person in a public discussion on the matter, or there are other brethren who will be willing to do the same. I sincerely believe that false teachers should be answered firmly and completely. Is that not what the Bible teaches? Do not forget, the Bible is right.
The Jubilee Jargon Of Lindsey Garmon
When Lindsey Garmon delivered his three speeches on, "Identifying and Deploying Spiritual Gifts" at the 1992 Jubilee, I had a very difficult time making myself listen to those taped speeches. It isn't easy to hear a brother present so much jargon which is totally subjective and a million miles distant from the word of God.
I decided to answer the speeches of brother Garmon and have them printed in a booklet. That little booklet has gone out all over the nation and if the truth has been taught therein it might serve to help honest readers. I certainly welcome brethren to correct any false and untenable positions which are posited therin. No man can be honest and continue to espouse error after being made aware of it.
Why was brother Garmon invited to the Jubilee circus to speak on the subject of spiritual gifts? He was invited because he would say so much of what brother Steve Flatt and the Madison Church wanted to hear. It is a shameful disgrace that elders will let such heresy go unchalleneged.
In this series I will repeat some of the things which appeared in the booklet titled, "A study of Holyrollerism as presented by Lindsey Garmon and Steve Flatt at the Nashville Jubilee."
Brother Garmon has a sister and mother who assembles with the Madison people and it is my judgment that mother Garmon needs to put her son on her knee and teach him a few elementary lessons-including some much needed lessons on spiritual gifts.
Occasionally in his speeches, our brother stumbled across the truth and a prime example is noted when Lindsey declared that his speech, "...represents some new ideas. There's a wave sweeping across the land." New ideas? For two thousand years people have been able to read pages from the word of God. For two hundred years men will brilliant minds have been pleading with people to return to the Bible.
Comes now a youngster who has new ideas. I doubt not with the ego of brother Garmon and his new ideas, he must envision himself as another Moses who will lead us out of Egyptian darkness.
Brother Garmon's new ideas are so very interesting. One cannot help but be overwhelmed to learn that spiritual gifts are: "Talents, skills and abilities which we have from God which enables us to minister and serve effectively." Admittedly, this is new. Brother Garmon nor anyone else ever found such foolishness in the New Testament. The very basic principle from which brother Jubilee Garmon launched his did is as faulty as a fake penny. All the subsequent blunders made in the three speeches derive from that new idea about talents skills and abilities.
If one desires to learn about spiritual gifts one would need to sit in the presence of a teacher who respects the Word of God. One would also like to sit listening to a teacher who is not averse to giving, a "thus saith the Lord." One would need to have a teacher who would turn to the Bible for definitions and explanations of matters. The Jubilee speakers do not bother to be concerned about quoting the Bible. That might be a trite oldish.
I really wish I knew how and from where the new definition of spiritual gifts developed. Since the Garmon ideas are new they undoubtedly came from some cultic outfit. One could read the Bible for a million years and never find the silly and absurd idea that spiritual gifts were talents. We find the word used in the Bible and common sense would dictate that we let the Bible define the word. This methodology would not be new enough for Jubilee clowns. The breeze of Biblical truth is too stale for Jubilee clappers.
What passage did brother Garmon give to prove that spiritual gifts were talents? Since he gave not one passage, I would ask why not? I can give any number of Bible verses to prove what I teach about spiritual gifts. If I cannot do this I need to keep my mouth shut and my pen still. I think if brother Garmon could have found one verse to prop up his speech he would have done so. Surely the man does not think that every person is a born sucker, willing to swallow any kind of fool notion which one might present. We are obstinate, careful, cautious, demanding that every man prove his dictims. Some of us do not care for a speech of hot air. We demand facts, truth, evidence and will accept no substitute. Put my writings to the test. Let nothing be accepted but the truth.
Spiritual gifts are talents? Hogwash! We absolutely have a gang of characters running around loose who think they are at liberty to change the meaning of Bible words as they jolly well please. Just as the pedo-Baptists have changed baptism into sprinkling and pouring, so do men like Garmon feel that they can change the meaning of spiritual gifts into talents. Compared to the Bible meaning of words, such shenanagins do not make even good nonsense.
It doesn't require much effort and very little sense to look up the meaning of talents as used in the Bible. The word from which we derive the English talent is the Greek talanton. It was used as a balance with which to weigh. The weight of gold or silver came to be called talents. This is of frequent use in the Old Testament. When Joab conquered Rabbah, the king's crown was taken from off his head and, "...the weight thereof was a talent of gold with precious stones; and it was put on David's head..." [II Sam. 12:30]. The talent was also represented as a certain weight of lead [Zech. 5:7-8]. There were talents of silver which were used as payments of debts [I Kings 20:39].
A vivid description is given by our Lord as he spoke of his coming and the destruction which would occur. John wrote as Jesus directed, "And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent..." [Rev. 16:21].
I have no patience with nor sympathy for any man who can learn what talents were but who will stubbornly refuse to learn.
Talents were certainly amounts of valuable gold, silver, lead, etc. which could be weighed and given to others. Gehazi followed Naaman and said,
....Behold, even now there be come to me from
Mount Ephraim two young men of the sons of
the prophets: give them, I pray thee, a talent
of silver, and two changes of garments. And
Naaman said, Be content, take two talents.
And he urged him, and bound two talents of
silver in two bags, with two changes of
garments, and laid them upon two of his
servants; and they bare them before him [II
When Gehazi came to Elisha, he was asked, "....Is it a time to receive money...." [v. 26]. There are any number of examples given where talents were passed from one person, usually a king to another king. I do not believe a defeated king was presenting spiritual gifts to his victor.
Please remember, we are not concerned with homespun definitions conjured up to prop up a heresy. We cannot liken the kingdom of heaven to just any fool notion which crosses our minds.
Our Lord told the story of a certain king who would take account of his servants. "And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents" [Matt. 18:24]. The talents represented a debt which was owed [v. 32]. The debt could be paid [v. 34]. Did the servant owe spiritual gifts? Could he pay a debt with spiritual gifts? Notice carefully that these talents could be passed from one to another. How many spiritual gifts did Lindsey Garmon exchange at the Jubilee?
Perhaps the best known story relative to talents is found in Matthew 25:14-30. Again the kingdom of heaven is compared to a man taking a journey but leaving his servants with talents to be used. The talents were given from one the lord to servants. They are called "goods," which were delivered. The talents were, "received" by servants. The talents were dispersed among three servants, "...to every man according to his several ability..." [v.15]. The talents did not represent ability. According to a mans ability, so talents were given according to their several ability. The talent was given according to what a man had and not according to what he had not.
The man who received five talents went and traded with the same. Did brother Garmon tell his cheering section how they might trade their spiritual gifts? The Bible talents could be traded. How about Jubilee talents? Frankly, I wouldn't give a hoot for the Jubilee type of spiritual gifts. A man would get a bad bargain if he traded for Jubilee spiritual gifts.
But it seems simple enough to understand that one fellow who was given one talent "...went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money..." [v. 18]. The talent could be taken away and given to another [v. 28].
For pure poppycock presented in its most fermented, ignorant, form, I must say that the Jubilee speeches of Lindsey Garmon undoubtedly reach down to the lowest ebb.
Our brother created a little scene when he had a few people come to the front of his class and he handed out the spiritual gifts of, "writing, administration, mercy, leadership, craftmanship, hospitality, singing, etc." If one can hand out spiritual gifts on cards, then one can send spiritual gifts through the mail. Maybe the Jubilee promoters will begin a mail order business in dispensing spiritual gifts. Some church members are ignorant enough to order their spiritual gifts by mail.
Once a false premise is presented and accepted, then all sorts of silly ideas will follow. This is a terrible blunder made by brother Garmon and others who know so little but say so much about the Holy Spirit. His opinion is not valid concerning talents and spiritual gifts consequently his conclusions are as faulty as can be. I would like to think that some people have not refused to learn.
In his silly definition of spiritual gifts, Lindsey Garmon said that skills are such, "which we have from God and which enable us to minister and serve effectively." If you have skills you have spiritual gifts.. when croaking at a Jubilee circus. Can you accept such drivel? Does the Bible equate spiritual gifts with skills? Never, ever!
It is not intended as a reflection on the intelligence of my readers when I ask if you know what skills are? Of course you do and you know how one obtains and develops skills. Brother Garmon cannot even identify spiritual gifts, let alone deploy them. He cannot deploy them because he cannot identify them, thus his Jubilee speech was a dud and a complete failure. When he runs amuck into thinking that spiritual gifts are skills, he is in water over his head. I do not claim to be smart but I can think of any number of synonyms which could be used descriptive of skills. For example we could use, masterful, efficient, apt, deft, accomplished, competent, proficient, expertise, shrewd, adroit, artful, special, distinctive, ingenious, unique, etc., etc. Study each of the preceding and add to the list. Ask yourself how people become masterful, efficient, apt, etc.
If you can read this page competenly, how did you ever become skilled in reading? If you were asked to give a simple definition of the foregoing words, by what process would you be able to respond? Prancing around at a Jubilee will not help. I would appeal to the scriptures and a good dictionary for help. If I am not capable of understanding the form of baptism, it could be that Romans 6:3-4 would clear the matter. If I had heard someone or had read from someone who said that spiritual gifts were skills, it seems that before I started clapping and whooping, a closed session with my Bible would be in order.
To write these things to you is not irksome but it is safe [Phil. 3:1]. We can read about skills, skilful, skillfully, and skilfulness in the Bible.
Brother Flatt Wants To Know:
Does The Spirit Move You?
Just as I listened to the taped speeches of the aforementioned Jubilee talkers, I also listened very, very carefully to the taped speeches of brother Steve Flatt. My attention was first called to an awareness of what brother Flatt was teaching on the Holy Spirit by members of the Madison church. Our brother delivered a series of lessons on the Amazing Grace TV program. Subsequently he presented the same material at the Jubilee in three lessons titled, "Does The Spirit Move You." I do not want to appear unduly wise but I think if the Madison church members and the Jubilee patrons could understand brother Flatt it should not have taxed my mentality too much as I listened to him. His speeches have been answered in a small booklet which I wrote but it seems pertinent to present some false teachings which is being spread at the Jubilee relative to the Holy Spirit. Steve cannot deny that he is responsible for some of the Jubilee speakers and their false ideas.
One can certainly get a composite picture of Holyrollerism by listening to all the different Jubilee speeches. We used to hear only the Holyrollers from Anderson, Ind. and Cleveland, Tenn. make such absurd claims for the Holy Spirit but now our sisters and brothers are going hog-wild to present Pentecostal speeches at the Jubilee and elsewhere. When an objection is raised, the usual wail is heard, "You didn't understand," or "You deliberately misrepresented me, etc, etc...." Again I insist that understanding brother Flatt requires no miracle or profound wisdom.
When brother Steve said, "maybe we are just kind of starting something." I believe we need some answers-but we will not get any. Why would our brother think that he might be starting something? What is he starting?
If it has not already been started then we certainly would like to know what authority brother Flatt has for starting something? It cannot be denied that brother Steve thinks his views just might be something new or novel in the church. Brother Flatt is deceived if he thinks he is starting something new. The Old Calvinists and Holyrollers gave speeches on the Holy Spirit before the Jubilee convened.
What would you think if I went berserk on the subject of baptism or the Lord's Supper and stated, "maybe we are just kind of starting something?" That is the problem with brother Flatt. He knows that he knows that he is not teaching what faithful brethren have been teaching relative to the Holy Spirit. This is exactly why he said, "Maybe we are just kind of starting something." The spirit of candor and ethics would dictate that he admit his novice views. What does Steve really think? Why would he say, "Maybe we are just kind of starting something?"
John Calvin just kind of started something when he gave impetus to the tenants of Calvinism and Martin Luther just kind of starting something when he broke with the Popes and began his theology of grace alone, but brother Flatt is neither a Calvin or Luther. I do not think he will shake the earth with his "something" which he has borrowed from the Holyrollers. The Flatt "something" is as shallow and flat as a think leaf. We all know without any question why Steve thought he might be starting something? Why deny it?
If our brother is actually deceived into thinking that he is starting something, then that which he is starting in the church does not already exist in the church. If it already exists and has existed for long decades, it would be a misnomer to assume that "something" was being started. One cannot start "something" at a time of place when the "something" has already been started. What grandiose visions does our brother have in starting his "something?" I have no hesitancy in saying that Steve Flatt can be on his way to starting a Holyroller church at Madison. He has said too much to deny it. It will not help to prattle that I do not understand his speeches. Moreover, it is a brazen lie to aver that I "seek to misconstrue" what Steve says. The very fact that he chuckles, "We may be just kind of starting 'something' new is the thinking of Steve. He will not discuss what he thinks he is starting.
It is a fact undeniable that many brethren are very aware of the false teaching of Steve Flatt. He is being opposed and exposed as a heretic, but of course he doesn't like for anyone to call him in question. No sir and no maam! No man should ever question the mighty Hamans who sally around in Shushan.
When I answered Steve Flatt's speeches which were given at the Jubilee, some of the brethren up in the Cookeville, Tenn. area requested some copies of the book wich they distributed. Also I wrote an article in the Plumbline paper which I called, "Don't Rock The Sycamore Boat." Brother Charles Maxwell of Cookeville requested brother Flatt to review the article but there was no review. Instead Steve just thought Wayne Coats was seeking to misconstrue what Steve said. God help us to show some integrity. Did a number of Madison members seek to minsconstrue what Steve said? There are some Madison members who have been in the world. Can they be so dull and demented as to not know Pentecostalism when they hear it?
To charge that I seek to misconstrue what brother Flatt taught about the Holy Spirit is pure poppycock gone to seed. He knows as well as anyone that I have not misrepresented one syllable of what he taught. Let him produce the proof and I will gladly retract. Let him tell us what he thinks he is starting. Let him tell us WHY he would babble such a silly statement. He knows full well that his Holyrollerism has not been a part of the faith and practice within the Lord's church. Steve is aware that his fool-hearty ideas ideas present something altogether different from that which faithful brethren have preached down through the years. When he stands before a semi-illiterate group of Jubilee gawkers in Biblical theology with a chuckle he can assert, "maybe we are just kind of starting something." He doesn't like it at all when I insist that his "something" is nothing more than Holyrollerism. I stand ready to prove my contention at any place and time, but of course brother Flatt would never want that to get started. I am amazed to learn that brother Flatt actually states that the Holy Spirit literally dwells in us. A literal Spirit? How utterly false! There is no such thing as a literal Holy Spirit or any other kind of literal Spirit.
I wish our brother had thought about such a blunder before he made it. With such a farfetched idea about the Holy Spirit, there is no telling what a man might say. What does a literal spirit look like? When did Steve see a literal Spirit? Goblins and Halloween ghosts fit well in Steve's theology.
Please remember that Lindsey Garmon spoke at the Jubilee in 1992 and he defined spiritual gifts as, "talents, skills and abilities." Brother Flatt spoke on the Jubilee in 1993 and he rejected the talent as being a spiritual gift. "It is not the same as a talent. I'm not talking about a talent. We are born with a talent." One Spirit filled speaker tells us that a talent is a spiritual gift but another Spirit filled speaker says, "not so." There was a time when church members were wise enough to conclude that positions which diametrically contradicted each other were obviously false. A proposition cannot be both true and false at the same time.
It makes as much sense to contend that we are born with skills and abilities as to say we are born with talents. Where in heaven's name do these fellows come up with such weird definitions? Have we become ashamed to try to prove what we teach by the Bible? Do we prefer some fool man-made theory in preference to a thus saith the Lord? Born with talents? Hogwash!
I have no answer as to why brother Flatt and others of his persuasion object to "sign gifts," while at the same time they talk so glibly about what the blessed Holy Spirit does for them. Brother Flatt spoke of Doctor somebody [???] Who, "had written a book on the Holy Spirit." A brother has tried to find out who that doctor is but so far brother Flatt has not told the name of the doctor. We need to know about that doctor. Brother Flatt won't tell after repeated efforts to find out. Is he ashamed to tell?
The very height of subjective thinking is reached when we are informed that one might have a spiritual gift and not know what it is. I suppose that spiritual gifts could not possibly be knowledge. If one did possess the spiritual gift of knowledge would one have knowledge to know that God speaks to them? Some sort of crazy notion is usually presented which supposedly comes right straight from God. But then some other illuminated expert gets on his soap box and he tells his dupes how God gave him a vision or gift an lo and behold the information is diametrically opposed, antipodal, reverse, anithetical and opposite to that which God told others. Ignorant people will believe such tripe. They are so patently blind that they will accept anything regardless of how much one statement contradicts another.
When Lindsey Garmon defined spiritual gifts as, "talents, skills and abilities" and Steve Flatt defined spiritual gifts as, "skills and abilities," but rejected talents, even a tyro should see that something is not right, but it is expecting too much to entertain the idea that some church members are even capable of thinking. This is due to what has come to be called, "brainwashing." A Jubilee event is a perfect place to experience a BRAINWASHING.
Lindsey Garmon declared that when one possessed spiritual gifts, "...one always knew." One should never question what a Spirit filled Jubilee person says. That would be as wicked as objecting to the Pope. Since a person who possess spiritual gifts always knows, then it certainly follows that I do not possess spiritual gifts for indeed I do not know that I possess spiritual gifts. I was taught the word of God and I was baptized but for some strange reason all those spiritual gifts have alluded me.
The Spirit in Lindsey Garmon told Garmon that one would always know but the Spirit in Steve Flatt said that we don't always know what our spiritual gift is. The Spirit said one thing in 1992 but he reversed it in 1993. In 1992 we can always know but in 1993 we cannot always know. If such putrid palaver appeals to you, then you certainly have my sympathy.
If the Holy Spirit makes such a conglomerate mess of things with all the contradictions presented at the Jubilee, then pray tell how I can possibly have any confidence in what the Holy Spirit has said in the written word? Maybe there are two Holy Spirits which come to the Jubilee and maybe one doesn't know what the other has said. Maybe one talks to Lindsey and the other talks to Lindsey and the other talks to Steve.
I am sure some folks will not believe me but the tapes are available for those who doubt my word. Steve Flatt actually said, "If you do not know, get good counsel from people about you. Get feedback from other Christians. Ask what do I do well."
The Holy Spirit is supposed to bestow some sort of spiritual gift upon a person but the pathetic person may not know what the gift is. Someone else might be able to give good counsel about the matter, meaning that others would know more about a Christian than the Christian would know about himself. Such puerile prattle is beneath the dignity of sensible people. Does brother Flatt know more about me and what I know from the Bible-than I know? I knew what I know about myself but he might know what I know about myself better than I know what I know. Do not ask me how he might know, for I do not know. Get his good counsel about what I know.
It could be that feedback from other Christians would resolve the problem. Where in heaven's name did Steve stumble across such tomfoolery? What is his authority? Does the Bible even hint about getting feedback about spiritual gifts from others? Are we so presumptuous as to think that we can babble and palaver about Bible matters while showing utter contempt for divine authority? Can brother Flatt give something that would even hint at divine authority for his conjectures? Of course not and he knows he cannot. Some folks are satisfied to follow religious racketeers but people who have any self respect and respect for God will demand a "thus saith the Lord." We will be satisfied with nothing less.
If one doesn't know what ones spiritual gift is just ask others, "What do I do well." How can we keep our composure and listen to such drivel? I am scorned by some when I try to expose such blatant foolishness for what it really is. Try to imagine a grown man standing before a group of people who claim to know the Bible and telling them to ask someone what they do well. Is this an index of the low depths into which we have suken?
If someone came to me with a bunch of mumbo-jumbo about spiritual gifts and asked me what he did well, I believe I could make a list of things in which that person would need improvement. It would surely be the case that ones request would be determined by how stupid one might be and the answer would be determined by how stupid the person was who gave an answer. If I'm playing ball with a group of exceptional children, they might tell me how wonderful I am as a ball player. If I am playing with members of a college ball team, my spiritual gift would not be very complimentary. I do hope my brethren will not become too obsessed with asking others what they do well.
If the proof of spiritual gifts can be seen in what one does well, is it not the case that ones spiritual gifts from the blessed Holy Spirit would cease and desist at some point when one reached said point of not doing something well? A Christian might be a real whiz at running in a race. In fact one could start out ahead of the hounds when his spiritual gift kicked into overdrive but when one became leg-weary or suffered from muscle cramps, such would mean that one would have lost ones spiritual gifts. Such a foolish idea doesn't even begin to make any sort of good nonsense.
The absurdity of asking people what I do well as a criteria for determining spiritual gifts can be seen in the fact that the answer depends upon which persons are asked. This is sheer lunacy to think that when one does well at something, that something is a spiritual gift.
Could spiritually gifted brethren be unusually gifted in a certain area and others not know about it? Would all those who have spiritual gifts always know about the spiritual gifts of others? Would it be possible for people who claim spiritual gifts to contradict each other? What is the difference in brother Flatt's borrowed, cultic, definition of spiritual gifts and the Bible definition? Even a tyro should be able to see the difference.
Do you really want to know what your spiritual gift is? Then listen and you shall learn from brother Steve when he says, "Do not live by your sinful nature." It would be so very nice if brother Flatt would use his spiritual gifts of skills and abilities and enlighten us about ones sinful nature. Maybe such drivel is what brother Flatt is just kinda starting. Does the man not realize that our brethren have debated the Old Calvinists, hardshell Baptist, primitive Baptists and others for long decades regarding the tom-foolery of total depravity? Since the perverted NIV came forth with its putrid Calvinism, Steve Flatt and others have been parroting the sectarian jargon about, "sinful nature." We can expect such blatant error from the Old Baptists but who would have thought that the devil could convert so many of our spineless preachers. There is no such thing as the Calvinistic concept of sinful nature even remotely hinted at in the Bible. Sure the NIV brazenly presents the idea but it is as vile and wicked as anything right out of hell.
If one is interested in knowing what the silly notion of sinful nature is all about, one can read any of the debates which our brethren have had with the primitive Baptists. Total depravity and/or sinful nature is the first plank in the Old Calvinist and Holyroller platform. It won't ever happen but how interesting it would be to hear Steve try to explain ones sinful nature and compare it with ones total depravity. It would be most interesting to hear brother Flatt try to explain a lot of things but such will never occur. His preference is to ignore questions.
Since one is supposed to receive the literal Holy Spirit when one is baptized, then pray tell how one could live by ones sinful nature? Does the Holy Spirit literally dwell in a Christian who is also totally depraved? Does the sinful nature continue in one who is full of the Spirit? If one is full of the Spirit, why tell one to not live by ones sinful nature? If the Spirit literally dwells within a person, then why would one need to be concerned about spiritual gifts. If one is full of the literal Spirit, then why would the Spirit not make known to one what ones spiritual gift really was? Why will some brethren be so infernal ignorant about the word of God?
I note that brother Flatt takes umbrage at my assertion in a booklet that he is guilty of Holyrollerism. The very best he can do is make a flatt denial and run out. Will he make an attempt to answer my charges? Of course not! Why not? If he is so full of the Holy Spirit as he claims, why will the Holy Spirit not help the brother? I insist that the claims of brother Flatt relative to the Holy Spirit helping him and refute my statements? He can play deaf and dumb if he pleases but I shall not remain silent as long as God gives me strength to answer false teachers.
Brother Flatt denies that he is teaching Holyrollerism but he carries the earmarks of the Holyrollers. I ask, "Did the brother say, 'The Holy Spirits work is not limited to the word of God?'"
After all the clatter about the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of a Christian, then pray tell why our brother would assert that the work of the Holy Spirit is not limited to the word of God? Anyone who is able to run around loose by himself knows full well that Holiness preachers have been saying that very same thing for years. Shall we show brother Flatt some debate propositions where the Holyrollers have affirmed the very thing that he blubbered at the Jubilee? Maybe he thinks he can explain his statement to the satisfaction of Madison members, but not all folks will be deceived.
Now if the Holy Spirits work is not limited to the word of God, that would mean that the Holy Spirit does work through and by means of the word of God. How can brother Flatt prove that position? He can prove it just like brethren have continually proven it, i.e. by the Bible. The sword of the Spirit is the word of God [Eph. 6]. Since Steve asserts that the work of the Spirit is not limited to the word of God, just how will he prove his point? Will he appeal to the word to prove that the word is not sufficient? What work of the Spirit does the Spirit work within a person which is outside, separate and apart from the word? If if is a work apart from the word, how does one know it is a work of the Spirit? One certainly cannot appeal to the word for the work is apart from the word? If it is a work apart from the word, how does one know it is a work of the Spirit? One certainly cannot appeal to the word for the work is apart from the word and is not limited to the word. What will be the source of information? Any Holyroller in Nashville will tell us all sorts of wild tales and brother Flatt will borrow them.
Brother Flatt doesn't like to be compared with the Holiness preachers. Why did he say, "He leads us but not exclusively through the word." If I had said it I would not deny it and if I had said it I would expect one and all to cast me in the mold of the Holiness pit. Does the Holy Spirit lead people? Of course! How does a wicked, wretched, alien sinner come to Christ? He is lead to Christ by means of the written word. Every person is led exactly by means of the written word.
If the Holy Spirit does not lead us exclusively through the word, then there is some other way other than through the word by which we are led. Does the word tell us that we are not led exclusively by the word? I know how men were led before the word was written. It will not suffice to go back to the days of miraculous leading and lay claim to such supernatural influences. We want to know about that leading of the Spirit in our day. Who does the Spirit lead and how does he lead, independently of the word? The Holiness folks will tell us in a split second how they claim to be led. The Holy Spirit talks to them, directs them by miracles, signs and wonders.
Brother Flatt claims some kind of leading beyond the word. We deserve to be told all about that direct leading of the Spirit.
If the Holy Spirit leads beyond the word as brother Flatt contends, we need to learn how the brother knows so much. Every Holyroller in Madison will make the same assertion and I do not believe a single one of them would get upset if I simply explained how I understand the statements.
Note again when brother Flatt says, "The Holy Spirits work in this day and time is not limited to the word of God." How does my brother know this? What work does the Spirit do for one which the word will not and cannot do? If man needs something or needs to avoid something in order to please God, will the written word not be sufficient? What more is needed?
The entire Holyroller spiel of brother Flatt is nothing more than a blatant copy of a flagrant denial of the all-sufficiency of the revealed will of God. Brother Flatt's theology is as threadbare as Catholic theology which is founded on myth, superstition and tradition.
Jeanene Reese Of Abilene University
Speaking At The Jubilee
On Leadership And Spiritual Gifts Among Women
In its concerted effort to change the church into another cult, the Jubilee wheels continue to bring in speakers who are imbued with the notion that brethren and sisters must think and act like a gang of Holyrollers.
It is hardly the wise thing to do to assert that we do not understand the Jubilee speakers. After all, the Jubilee audiences were not comprised of Solomon and his court. Most any dim-wit can comprehend fully all the gobble-de-gook which is prattled at the Jubilee by the neo-Pentescostals.
Everyone but anyone knows full well that the old time Holyrollers were not known for their excessive brilliance. They have managed to understand what their pastors yelled and screamed about. It doesn't take any more intelligence to understand what Jubilee blabber-mouths are saying as they sing the same old worn out Holyroller songs. This is the truth and I challenge anyone to attempt to refute this charge. Will anyone please answer why Jeanine Reese was asked to speak about spiritual gifts at the Jubilee? One does not have to guess why she came and gave her testimony.
Mrs. Reese said, "I was in a class where I taught and a woman came up to me just at the end of the class and she put her hand on me, she lifted her hand and began to speak...at first I thought she was praying and then I realized that I couldn't understand her...and I have those things happen in different places.?
If a person is presenting Holyroller bunk one should not be surprised if some folks want to practice Holyroller bunk. Have you ever had some woman come up and put one hand on you and raise the other hand while chattering like a chimpanzee?
I have not experienced such a bizarre event and I know why. Why would such an episode occur where Jeanene Reese was performing? When relating the above experience Mrs. Reese laughed but to me the matter is so disgusting as to cause one to be ashamed rather than laugh about it.
Mrs. Reese says she was, "tempted to pass around the room different spiritual gifts: teaching, evangelism, service, mercy, prophecy, wisdom, and have you go and stand under your spiritual gift." "Some women want to put one foot in one and the other in the other gift and kind of spread themselves, because they have more than one spiritual gift."
I am certain there would be enough gullible sisters to put both feet in different places just as sister Reese sticks both feet in her mouth as she babbles about spiritual gifts.
Would it be in order to ask one simple question as to how Jeanene Reese came to the conclusion that teaching, evangelism, service, mercy, prophecy, and wisdom are present day spiritual gifts? How does she know this? Where is her source of authority fo such foolishness? Is she speaking by the authority of Christ or is she just babbling a bunch of bunk?
Since sister Jubilee Reese gave six spiritual gifts, would not all the other women be able to give their lists? How will we be able to know for a fact which ones to accept and which ones to reject? Will all the women in a class give the same identical listing of spiritual gifts? That might happen in a trillion years but I doubt that it would.
Mrs. Reese resorts to pure subjective prattle when she presents her six gifts. If one desires to know about spiritual gifts, the sensible thing is to turn to the Bible and find out about such matters. Spiritual gifts as discussed in the word of God, were gifts which were supernaturally given. They were not natural characteristics acquired by study and training. We will say more about this at the close of our study. The gift of prophecy was a special gift of the Holy Spirit which was limited to the first century. There are no inspired prophets-even in Abilene. The other so-called gifts could be claimed by some of the biggest jerks to have ever lived. Moreover many intelligent church members who strongly reject the silly notion of present day spiritual gifts can teach, evangelize, render service, show mercy and demonstrate wisdom by refuting false teachers.
Sister Reese prepares a list and calls them "spiritual gifts." I call her just so much humbug. Who is right? She has no proof other than her own misguided blather but I have the inspired word of God to tell me what spiritual gifts were.
"I have women come every year and speak on spiritual gifts." "I have read every book that I can lay my hands on about it." "I direct summer worship at ACU on equipping women for ministry." "Peter Wagner who's a leading writer on spiritual gifts says the gifts in I Corinthians are manifestation gifts." "He says Ephesians are equipping gifts." "And Romans are motivational gifts."
If those women who speak on spiritual gifts at ACU present the same kind of heresy as the ACU women present at the Jubilee, may God help us right early. It is most evident that ACU is reeking with Holyroller sludge. And who is Peter Wagner who has written so much about spiritual gifts?
I would not believe it unless I had heard it but take my word for it-and confirm it by listening to the tape if you have enough guts to do so. Our sister actually said, "Through all of these tests and through all of these presentations that I have heard, I still don't know what my spiritual gift is." I truly believe I would be ashamed to make such a statement after running around all over the country posing as an expert on spiritual gifts. Imagine reading everything one can get ones hands on, including Peter Wagner and directing a workship on spiritual gifts, and being able to tell others how to identify their spiritual gifts and yet not even know what her spiritual gift is. How can other women go stand under their spiritual gift but Mrs. Reese doesn't know where to stand. She has two feet and surely she ought to know where to place one of them.
"I have no idea. Sometimes when I've taken it, it's been very clear that my gift is prophecy. And the next time I would take it, my gift is teaching. And another time I would take it, my gift is wisdom."
I thank God that my wife does not demonstrate such fermented ignorance about spiritual gifts. Does Jeanine ever show mercy? Since mercy is a spiritual gift according to her, could it be that she has no idea when she shows mercy? The same could be said of teaching. Maybe the poor soul has thousands of spiritual gifts and they are so numberless that she cannot know.
I do not desire to be unkind but I do desire to expose those who desire to be teachers but who neither know or understand that which they prattle. Tell me how do you take it? I know it doesn't make even good nonsense but how does one take ones spiritual gift? It sounds crazy I know but I will never stop until I learn how I can take it. I wish sister Reese had told all that brilliant group of women who clapped at the Jubilee how one takes it. What kind of device does one use to take it? Is it a fool-proof method? Can others take it like sister Reese?
I know a person can take a thermometer and check for fever. One can take a little gadget and take a sugar count of ones blood, but we haven't learned how to take it from one who knows how to take it but in taking it, one does not really know.
When in a church that needs wisdom, our sister will pour forth wisdom and when in a church that needs teaching, she will shell down the facts by the use of her spiritual gift of teaching, but she still doesn't know. Does she know how to take it?
How far out does one need to go to declare that the gift of service may be, "...from the day you're born til the day you die." Come now, dear sister, do you mean that a day old baby has a spiritual gift of service? I only know what was said and I deny the saying. Babies do not possess spiritual gifts.
"I still don't know my spiritual gifts." In that case I will take it for sister Reese and the best I can do is term it IGNORANCE of the word of God. This is serious but it is simple to prove. In fact it is so very simple that I need not hesitate to make the assertion.
"Gene Guest wrote a book and he said, No where in scripture are we told to search for our spiritual gift." Well of course not, since spiritual gifts come before scriptures. How utterly stupid for the church in Corinth or Rome who had spiritual gifts to receive a letter from Paul wherein he told them to search for that which they already had.
"If you want to know what your spiritual gift is, ask the Lord to show you and spend time praying and searching and waiting and listening. I find that you will not be unanswered." "I'm telling you he will let you know what he wants from you."
Isn't it so convincing for one who has no idea what her spiritual gift is to have the unmitigated gall to stand before others and tell them how to know what their spiritual gift is? Stranger still is to see how a group of women will listen to see how a group of women will listen to such drivel and clap.
The Reese remedy is so simple. Ask the Lord to show you. Why does Mrs. Reese not know what her spiritual gift is? She knows how to find our. Why not ask the Lord to show her, if it works for others. Why tell others to pray and search and wait and listen in order to know? Does it work? Is that the way to take it? This is the same remedy the old, ignorant fellows would use when they went to the mourners bench. There the poor souls would pray and search and wait and listen and mourn and wait and pray and hopefully they could get some answer. From Holyrollerism, sister Reese has swallowed old time Calvinism-but she still doesn't know. Does she not pray and wait and listen? Will it not work for her but work for others?
"I find that you will not be unanswered. I'm telling you he will let you know what he wants from you." I'm telling you Jeanine Reese is a fake just as much so as Oral Roberts. She is a perverter of the truth and of course that is why she is a Jubilee actress. Why she has not been answered? The Lord will let others know but so far he hasn't let the Reese lady know. Her pill will work for others but it hasn't worked for her. Why does our dear sister not know what her spiritual gift is? If God will let us know, then he is somewhat behind on our lady from Abilene.
"I don't know my spiritual gift because it has taken many forms." This is at least the third time the expert teacher about spiritual gifts has told her class that she doesn't know what her spiritual gift is. It could be a spiritual gift that she "doesn't know."
Then on to I Corinthians 12:12, 27; Romans 12:4-5, and I Corinthians 4 to deal with spiritual gifts-our sister leapt. Yes sir! When one needs a passage to prove that one has a spiritual gift at the Jubilee, can one flip over to I Corinthians 12, and one can read all about it and one can "take it" and one can demonstrate ones colossal ignorance about a very simple subject.
Paul wrote the chapter because he did not want the brethren to be ignorant about spiritual gifts [I Cor. 12:1]. Like old Israel our sister is grossly ignorant of God's plan and she has borrowed information from others. Sometimes it is absolutely impossible to turn people away from their path of ignorance.
Paul wrote, "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant" [I Cor. 14:38]. I would concede that we are all ignorant-but on different subjects. When one comes to the Jubilee to speak about spiritual gifts, it apparently makes no difference how much ignorance is demonstrated.
With the foregoing, I have absolutely no fears of being corrected. Why any person would cite I Corinthians 12:1ff. Paul introduces the subject of spiritual gifts. These are not material qualities but they are spiritual. They are not learned by study and development. They are not changed from one place to another like the Reese brand. The spiritual gift was imparted by the apostle [Rom. 7:14]. He wrote about spiritual gifts to keep the brethren from being ignorant. We have the written word but we are still ignorant to a pathetic degree.
Paul explained that these were different gifts of the Spirit at Corinth. These were miraculous gifts of the Spirit. The Holy Spirit was the benefactor in dispensing these miraculous gifts through the laying on of the apostle's hands. Paul wrote,
For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you
some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established
The great salvation was spoken by the Lord and confirmed by the apostles who heard the Lord. God bore them witness, "...both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will" [Heb. 2:4]. The gifts of the Spirit were indeed-of the Spirit-and they were miraculous.
When Jesus ascended up on high, "...he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men" [Eph. 4:8]. These gifts were seen in apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers [v. 11]. All of these gifts were miraculously given by the Holy Spirit. The purpose is stated in order that the saints might be perfected, the ministry might work effectively, and the body built up.
I believe sister Reese would admit these inspired brethren did not have a copy of her NIV perversion, so they were to work by the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit.
These spiritual gifts were to last for a limited time, i.e. until,
...we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ [Eph. 4:13].
Sister Reese and others have concocted a theory that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are still around but we know better.
The very chapter which was introduced by the Jubilee lady specifically says that the, "...manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal" [I Cor. 12:7]. Why did she do the passover on this matter? We know why but of course it made no difference to her cheerleaders.
A manifestation of something is to make it known, to declare it, demonstrate it clearly. The Spirit gave gifts and they were manifested or demonstrated by those who received the gifts. Paul mentions these gifts as "