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B.K.: Yes, there is a couple of points that I wanted to make about that - one is that as far as Scriptures, we have spoken of several people - talking about working from within and trying to stay within and turn this around and the people that we have met, none of them have been able to do that. They have all actually caved in and gone along with the programme. And that’s the idea that they are staying there for the relationships and that ends up taking precedence. So there is no Scripture with respect to working within. It is always ‘come out from among them and be ye separate’ - separate yourself from among them, the people that are teaching false doctrine don’t sit underneath them because it is dangerous to stay in there. It is a danger that we must heed and a warning that we must heed.

Secondly, this idea that God is love. Actually there was an invitation at that Gorbachev State of the World Forum where it was titled "God is Love" and it had six of the major world religions all around a globe and it said "You are invited to join us in daily meditation".

Well that god is love is a dialectic god. He is a god of consensus of which all the world religions can agree with. It’s the God of judgement and sin and damnation and hell that does not go along with the flow of everybody getting along and going along. So that is the dialectic god and that everybody agrees with. The god of the Muslims is a god of love, the god of the Hindu and Buddhism and everybody is a god of love. But not all those gods send people to a literal burning hell if they refuse to repent and follow Him.

D.M.: Amen! The idea that Christianity is the true and only religion is repulsive to all of the people who hate Jesus Christ.

B.K.: It is negative and divisive - yes.

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D.M.: Well, I think that we are involved in truly a great and amazing battle and I feel privileged to at least have a voice and I am so pleased that you are down there in Southern California getting the message out. Are you making any contacts from across the country? I know you have been to several seminars that Dean Gotcher has put on as the speaker there. Are you getting pretty good crowds out to hear this message?

B.K.: Actually, they are sadly small. 25 to 50 people at the most. Right, we had one in Dallas, Texas, we had one in Florida and we have one up coming in April in Ohio and sadly no, this is not a message that people are flocking to hear. It is not a secret-sensitive message I am afraid. However, every speaking opportunity there is a small number of people, I mean, and they are heart-broken and they have been in it, they have known there is a problem and they couldn’t put their finger on it - exactly where it came from. I mean, they are in tears, they have joy that they have finally realised what it is that they have been battling against for a long period of time and now know the answer to it and are coming out.

And so, it is not a popular message. There is a remnant being separated for righteousness and even though it has not a wide appeal, it is the few people that I do this for.

D.M.: Well, I am just hoping that the number will increase. After all, it is in the Lord’s hands and we are to do our best to get the message out to tell people the truth and that’s really the beauty of talk radio and of course what we do and of course this will be circulated across the country and we will make sure that some of these tapes get out to our followers and we do have a fair number of them. People can of course go to our web site and get the archive programmes off the web site and get the tapes.

I believe that rather than going to all the effort to travel all around the country, from my point of view, I am coming down to Southern California on Wednesday to speak on Thursday but I firmly believe that being behind the microphone - this is why I appreciate so much your coming on to be on our programme Bob, because we are reaching many hundreds, many thousands of people out there. They are not calling in tonight but they are out there, they are listening and I know that many of them are in total agreement with what you are saying.